shark_90 Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] an AMD remapped car [/ QUOTE ] I can't deny that.. [/ QUOTE ] Sharky, what do you think of the remap that AMD did for you? [/ QUOTE ] They didn't do it for me mate, it was done for the previous owner of the car. I've not driven a standard 1.8TQ and I imagine it'd be bloody slow! It's fairly quick (not mind blowingly so) and you really have to wind the car up unlike the TDi where the power was just "there" if you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted March 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I think you p*ssed him off Scotty by asking too many direct questions... [/ QUOTE ] Maybe. It's terribly underhand of me to ask a supplier what their products like isn't it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Absolutely shocking, Scotty. Shocking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHA Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 tut tut sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcs_80 Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 I have tuned a few members cars on here since this began, if you have a poke about Im sure they will get a dyno done for you. I know a couple of them said they were getting them on a rolling road. Its funny how everyone gets stuck in as soon someone brings it up, very amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_m Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Werent you going to produce some graphs though will?? genuine question there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcs_80 Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Feel free to read customer feedback on my site too I feel the customers feedback says much more than the sales pitch rubbish you may get from tuners Surely someone agrees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcs_80 Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Werent you going to produce some graphs though will?? genuine question there! [/ QUOTE ] Yes, haven't really made my mind up yet though, a lot of the chaps off here (who have actually had their car tuned by me) have said they wouldn't put the graphs up on the forum, as it will just fuel more arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_m Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 fair enough! But on the other hand, it might just stop the arguments and get you more business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcs_80 Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Hmm, I know what you are saying. Im just going by what the chaps have told me. Im not sure what his username is, but I tuned an Audi A4 2.0TDI last week, and he said he was getting it on the rolling road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_m Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 cool, well who ever you are, get the graphs posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 When i had my RS6 chipped i did look around for examples of how the power would change. Not just from a bhp point of view , but one of torque aswell. graphs do need to be taken with a pinch of salt as they are not the answer to everything. But it is possible to compare two different tuners from their power output. Especially when turbo's are concerned. Some can create longer lag, but a harder 'push' (boost) when the power comes in. Others can increase the power range at maybe the expense of outright accleration. It's difficult to explain, but when driving cars you can certainly feel a difference to different maps. Much like the Revo stages 1,2 and 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcs_80 Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 100% agree Any tuner worth their salt will be able to tailor a map to suit the driver. Usually the standard map is more than good enough. You are right though, some programmes can bring a surge early on in the rev range, where are others (like mine) are stronger throughout the rev range, and delivered smoothly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 [ QUOTE ] stronger throughout the rev range, and delivered smoothly. [/ QUOTE ] Just how i like mine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcs_80 Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 It seems that guys who know and respect their cars do prefer it like this. Sometimes I'll get someone asking for more power. What is then done, is the torque peak is introduced slightly earlier, then they are happy.....although the power out put is the same!! Its just the way its delivered. Obviously this is slightly harder on the clutch too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted March 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Any tuner worth their salt will be able to tailor a map to suit the driver. Usually the standard map is more than good enough. [/ QUOTE ] Will - we're aware of all this but how is anyone meant to evaluate your product if you won't show it. The guys that have said don't show it doesn't make sense. If you put one of their graphs up anonymously then how would we ever knows who it belonged to. You've got a great shop window here to display your products and yet you refuse to. I simply don't understand it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcs_80 Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Hi Scotty, Many evaluate my 'product' by the feedback from customers. If you have a look at my website, a chap off here actually had a Revo map before mine, and preferred my programme. I dont have a rolling road, and therefore have to trust another company with a rolling road to supply accurate figures from whichever car is tuned, which beleive me, isn't easy when most of them are competitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted March 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Feedback is great but every person could prefer a different sort of map. I've said it before but as an example I hate the MTM map but many people love it. This doesn't mean it's good or bad it's just down to a persons preferance. This is why I disregard peoples opinions and want to see the results for myself. I thought you understood why I was asking for the graphs. With regards rolling roads, I agree there are some dodgy operations that bias the chips they sell on. At the same time if you don't tell them (or lie!) or you get it dyno'ed by a place that doesn't specialise in VAG cars then I don't see the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danksy Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Sorry will, I wont be using you in future, I can't "see" what I will be buying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcs_80 Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 You felt the need to tell me that in the forum, as apposed to PM? Who'd have thought, loosing a customer because the only feedback on the forum for me has been great You've been talking about a re-map for your car for months, why haven't you just gone to someone who will produce graphs? Surely you haven't just waited on me? Let me know where you go and how you get on This is the last time I will be posting in this thread, its just going round in circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 ....It's only going around in circles because you seem to be holding back on hard-copy information. You can always add some comments to info you post but you aren't currently delivering real-world information to potential customers. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted March 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Talk about a cop out!!!! All I've asked for is for you to demonstrate what your product does. Since you asked for time to post graphs, I backed off expecting you would be true to your word. So this is the picture I see in front of me : This bloke on the forum reckons he's a good tuner. He won't answer questions about his product. He won't post graphs about what his product does. Hell yeah! I'll throw money at that! Will - how the hell can any one tell if you're full of crap or good at what you do if you won't actually respond to the requests for information? Crazy!! I do hope that you're exceptionally good at tuning as your business model stinks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durrsaku Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 This thread has reached it's final destination. Anyone can draw their own conclusions from this lengthy debate if they are thinking of tunning their car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorburn Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 The simple matter of this whole argument is that you sell a product which you will advertise as "+30bhp" or whatever. And lets say in reality it does give you an increase, but only of 20bhp. The customer is still happy because he can feel the car is quicker but you can't substanciate your claims because you refuse to prove them. Its not just a matter of if the person is happy with the job, its a case of if you are telling the truth or not about the actual gains. Lets face it, I could poke around under the bonnet of a car for 10 minutes with a laptop, do nothing and tell someone I'd given them an extra 5bhp or a slightly stronger mid-range and after a test drive they'd probably tell me they could feel the difference purely because I told them it was there. People can't always pick up on small changes especially in a car weighing a tonne and a half but that doesn't mean they don't matter. If I were to choose ECU Will Super Fantastic Tuning Inc. over AmD or REVO or whoever because they told me that I could expect the same or better performance as with a competitors map and I found out that it offered inferior gains I wouldn't be happy, and I'm not saying thats what you are doing, but without proving it there will always be people who will care too much about there car to even give you a second look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Will I am intending to use you mate, I know "other forums" are singing your praises, NO I am not giving out "which" forums look for your selves. best regards AJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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