NewNiceMrMe Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 Nah, there are still 12 episodes per series. They've just split them into 6 month periods in a year. They've done the same with Doctor Who. The only reason is because people complained they were waiting too long between series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 Sherlock Holmes also shows that the BBC can do it. <devil's advocate mode=on> Sherlock Holmes shows that the BBC are doing it - as well as TG. So it isn't an either/or thing. <devil's advocate mode=off> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 Sherlock Holmes is innovative. A new take on an old thing. Top Gear is anything but. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Yes, but your point was "I don't want them to do TG, I want them to do stuff like Sherlock Holmes instead". But as they're already doing Sherlock Holmes anyway, what that boils down to is "I just want TG taken off the air". I have an idea. Those that don't like TG, instead of moaning on the Internet, why not put together a programme proposal for a replacement and pitch it to the BBC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Monkey Tennis, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Monkey Tennis, anyone? I'd watch that but I can't help feeling that as soon as the second series started, we'd be saying that it was getting a bit repetitive and that the format was a bit tired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 I would much rather see the money spent elsewhere.Jeremy Clarkson earned £3m salary last year (with few other BBC commitments). Then, just revealed in the accounts 2 weeks ago, he sold the controlling rights to the production company behind the show (which he owned) to the BBC - for £8 million. Executive Producer, Andy Willman, got £5 million too. That was after the BBC were accused of letting him boss them around. Hammond and May earned well over £1m salary for their parts in the show. The actual costs of production aren't available because the BBC has managed to get them excluded from the Freedon of Information Act under the 'journalism' exclusion. Journalism? I think that is laughable. I don't doubt it makes a very large profit. However, I'd like to see the money spent on something original. You don't need to look far (ITV and Downton Abbey) to see that it is possible for companies to make huge amounts of money on a considerably lesser spend. The whole second series of it cost £12m. So just over double what the BBC pay for 3 presenters! Downton recouped the entire cost of the series in DVD sales alone. How on earth can a public organisation say it can't spend the money better? (And yes, I happen to think Downton Abbey is superb). Sherlock Holmes also shows that the BBC can do it. That has made them a large profit and is set to continue doing so when the new series comes out. Putting all the finances aside though, I'd like to see it scrapped. There is masses of media to consume on cars elsewhere and online. It isn't a car programme now anyway, it is Clarkson's Publicity Machine. It's down to personal preference again though as the shows you mention are not my cup of tea at all. I do however accept that millions of viewers enjoy a good Drama so I wouldn't want the bbc to stop making them because I don't like them. The figures you quote are neither here nor there as at the end of the day I still pay the same licence fee regardless of Top Gear being screened or not. Ther bbc show very little sport these days and Eastenders, DIY shows, house programes, dramas and wildlife shows are not my bag. So remove Top Gear and I am paying a licence fee for very little (you can keep your bbc radio etc). For people that dislike Top Gear it would be easy to look at those figures and want that money spent on other favourite genres but that would again be their personal preference. Alas there is no black and white answer as we are all individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Don't the BBC sell merchandise and the format across the world? That probably gets them a couple of quid, doesn't it? I'd say that it more than pays for Clarkson et al and with the purchase of power from him, it makes it more likely he will be replaced/ format changed. It'd be good if we got the foreign versions of TG over here during the UK break. Even if it's on at unsociable, yet recordable hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Yes, but your point was "I don't want them to do TG, I want them to do stuff like Sherlock Holmes instead". But as they're already doing Sherlock Holmes anyway, what that boils down to is "I just want TG taken off the air".I have an idea. Those that don't like TG, instead of moaning on the Internet, why not put together a programme proposal for a replacement and pitch it to the BBC? Or why not just not fúcking watch it? I can't stand Eastenders and could be appalled at the horrific waste of licence payers' money on such inane drivel if I could be bothered, but instead I don't watch it. When the BBC closes BBC4 and stops making quality programming I might start to complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 TG makes the BBC a lot of money, so it's a sound investment of licence fee payers money whether you enjoy it or not. In fact, I think it may be one of, if not the, most profitable show the BBC make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 I'd watch that but I can't help feeling that as soon as the second series started, we'd be saying that it was getting a bit repetitive and that the format was a bit tired You could get the monkeys to smash up a caravan every 3-4 episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Yes, but your point was "I don't want them to do TG, I want them to do stuff like Sherlock Holmes instead". But as they're already doing Sherlock Holmes anyway, what that boils down to is "I just want TG taken off the air".I have an idea. Those that don't like TG, instead of moaning on the Internet, why not put together a programme proposal for a replacement and pitch it to the BBC? You praise it, I don't, does that mean you should stop praising it online too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 It's down to personal preference again though as the shows you mention are not my cup of tea at all. I do however accept that millions of viewers enjoy a good Drama so I wouldn't want the bbc to stop making them because I don't like them. The figures you quote are neither here nor there as at the end of the day I still pay the same licence fee regardless of Top Gear being screened or not. Ther bbc show very little sport these days and Eastenders, DIY shows, house programes, dramas and wildlife shows are not my bag. So remove Top Gear and I am paying a licence fee for very little (you can keep your bbc radio etc). For people that dislike Top Gear it would be easy to look at those figures and want that money spent on other favourite genres but that would again be their personal preference. Alas there is no black and white answer as we are all individuals. I agree with all of that. Spend the money on sport and stop it all going to PPV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 I agree with all of that. Spend the money on sport and stop it all going to PPV. But that assumes Top Gear is a net spend. However, it might be the case that without TG, BBC would have even less sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 That's possible Matt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 But that assumes Top Gear is a net spend. However, it might be the case that without TG, BBC would have even less sport. Best argument I've heard so far for dropping TG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 I thought Top Gear or the worldwide franchise made shed loads. Look at all the merchandising, international clone programmes etc. I believe it's most pirated BBC program there is. Surely they must be turning that popularity into profit ... even despite the fact they seem a little accident prone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 I thought last Sunday's episode was very funny. Nothing especially new, but still amusing. Especially the caravan sketch. But that may have been due to the fact I was watching it at my parent's house and they are the stereotypical 'vanners Clarkson, et al love to mock. They weren't laughing. I asked my dad if he had been working with Clarkson, as it must have been written with him and my mum in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 I assume the one tomorrow night is the last one of this batch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 Just seen a trailer confirming it is. Trailer looked good:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 It feels like we've only just started moaning about TopGear and it's already the last episode of the series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theduisbergkid Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Is that right ? £12 million per series ?! I don't doubt that the BBC gets multiples of this back in profit as a result of licensing and merchandising (although its worth noting that the BBC no longer own TG magazine) but a million quid to make a single episode ?! The stuff I've enjoyed most this series has been the cheapest; I could watch them drag caravans through the woods every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 but a million quid to make a single episode ?! I wonder how much of that goes to Clarkson, Hammond and May? Hanger hire, Stig hire, all the outside filming kit & personnel. oh, and insurance can't be cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 That was quite a show tonight - more like that please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Didn't realise we still make so much stuff, proud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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