Mook Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Coal is still cheaper, but it's dirty, so a lot of people (consumers) don't like using it. There's other solid fuels which aren't as dirty which are used more than coal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Coal is still cheaper, but it's dirty, so a lot of people (consumers) don't like using it. There's other solid fuels which aren't as dirty which are used more than coal. Didn't they bring out smokeless coal to combat the smog problem? The clean air act was (if I recall back to my school days) about visible pollutants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 I don't remember whether it was about visible or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Coal wasn't phased out due to pollution, it was overtaken by cheaper, easier and better methods to heat houses such as gas central heating, less pollution was simply a happy by product of that. Ahem: Clean Air Act 1956 1956 CHAPTER 52 An Act to make provision for abating the pollution of the air. [5th July, 1956] Be it enacted by the Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows :— Dark Smoke 1. Prohibition of dark smoke from chimneys (1) Subject to the provisions of this Act, dark smoke shall not be emitted from a chimney of any building, and if, on any day, dark smoke is so emitted, the occupier of the building shall be guilty of an offence. Seems clear enough to me Section 3 then went on to require that new furnaces, boilers etc be smokeless, effectively banning new installations of the old sorts of coal furnaces. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 As always - it's just greed. Having read Carmad's article, when matey talks about the extra fuel and sluggish performance, I wonder what the reall difference is/will be? Is it noticeable to Mr Standard driver? Maybe in tests with The Stig, it is, but probably not for all uses for all drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Yes, Mook had already cleared that up. As I mentioned above though, people didn't just stop burning coal to heat their houses overnight, smokeless coal sorted that out, then more modern ways of heating houses took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Seems that overnight the US are tightening up on testing of new cars. Seems they might not trust them, no idea why. US regulators have said they are tightening up emissions testing following the VW scandal. The Environmental Protection Agency said it had written to all carmakers to tell them of the more stringent tests. These will now focus more on the kinds of so-called defeat devices used by VW to disguise emissions during lab tests. Christopher Grundler, director of the agency's Office of Transportation & Air Quality, said: Today we are putting vehicle manufacturers on notice that our testing is going to include additional evaluation and tests.We're not going to tell them what these tests are, they don't need to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Look at how fast they can act. Same as China and it's infrastructure build. JFDI attitude. Something like that would take the EU 20 yrs to cobble together (once they arrange the meetings) with holes and get out-clauses the size of Switzerland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Funny isn't it, I didn't see a single post defending the banks when they did similar, they were, and it seems to many still are, the worst of the worst, they even come in and kill your kids at night the lot. A car firm does the same and they can't do any wrong, there was no concern about the hundreds of thousands of people that work for banks not involved in Libor at all, in admin, IT etc. or the other people that hang off them at the time, but if its a car company thats different. Erm no. So bringing down the world economy is now being compared to defeating an emmissions test? Lets face it every one and his dog knows that Diesel is the fuel of satan The EU positively discrimnated against petrol and geared their whole policy to promoting diesel, I would suggest suing them first as Boris was advocating doing long before this bump in the road came along Does anyone think that this was not a contributing factor in all of this? We bring along a whole raft of requirements and directives including a tonne of additional weight to accomodate all the extra safety equipment we require, and then expect the cars to do more to the gallon and emit less pollution, last time I checked the more weight you had to lug around the more fuel was required and more environmental impact you created, so cake and eat it springs to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 So bringing down the world economy is now being compared to defeating an emmissions test? Well I suppose that depends whether you think irreversible environmental damage and poisoning millions of people is less serious than risking the collapse of western capitalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 There's loads of these going around now. This isn't just gonna go away is it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulboy Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Quote from Daily Telegraph article: Meanwhile, research by Emissions Analytics, a data analysis company, found only five of 200 diesel cars designed to meet “Euro 6” rules – cleaner air regulations brought in this month – were likely to pass the retests ordered by the Department for Transport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 So things progress and continue to get worse for the VW group. Switzerland ban all VW EU5 cars from sale which isn't going to be great but I don't think its as bad as the headline makes out as they will sell EU6 complaint cars I believe. VW seem to have been told internally about the defeat device at board level a few years ago and didn't do anything which puts things in an even worse light. Share price had a bounce but is back down again and still no update as to exactly which cars are involved and how the issue will be resolved. And lastly instead of a new MPG / emissions test to be introduced in 2017, it looks like something will be in next year on a rolling road with full acceleration and high speed running all included as they are absent from current testing and obviously produce the most emissions / MPG hit. It seems the US are going to do on road testing straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 VW seem to have been told internally about the defeat device at board level a few years ago and didn't do anything which puts things in an even worse light Oooh, that's potentially very bad news for them. Handy Excuse No. 1 just left the building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Time to consider other manufacturers for my next car mmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Time to consider other manufacturers for my next car mmmm Well if some good comes from this then..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cruiser647 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Time to consider other manufacturers for my next car mmmm Audi? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Maybe the Focus RS...... the RS3 doesn't do it for me at the moment..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) Audi says 2.1 million cars have 'cheat' emissions software. Some 1.42 million Audi vehicles with so-called EU5 engines are affected in Western Europe, with 577,000 in Germany and almost 13,000 in the United States, a spokesman for Ingolstadt-based Audi said on Monday. Affected model lines include the A1, A3, A4, A5, A6, TT, Q3 and Q5, the spokesman said. VW said last week around 11 million cars of its group brands worldwide are affected by the diesel emissions scandal. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34377443 Edited September 28, 2015 by Andy_Bangle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Audi saying 2.1 million of their vehicles are affected, no word from Skoda or Seat yet but it highly likely they will have the same problem. According to Sky news the R&D officials of VW, Audi and Porsche have been suspended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 I thought it was just the Golf chassis based units (and Passat) that had the issue. Maybe the VW board didn't do anything because the EU6 cars were coming out and didn't need the software? Afterall, who tests an old car? (The US does!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 It wouldn't surprise me if the entire group is affected, I wonder if the agencies have checked petrol based EU5 cars etc...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Bring back the old 1.9 PD engine and tech! A bit of refining to bring it up to date and although it might have been noisy, but it did the figures it said on the can! This philosophy seems to work for Bentley's 6.75. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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