NewNiceMrMe Posted July 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I'm happy to agree to disagree in the same way I don't expect everyone to agree with my opinions. I get the impression from the way you respond to my posts you don't like that. It seems you think I've got it in for you which I hope you now realise is incorrect. Sorry but it seems we don't always agree. That's life. [/ QUOTE ] Yet you're not the only one who doesn't agree. However, I didn't reply to them in the same way. The reason for that is they'd read the full post and didn't try and argue the fact I wasn't tarring all Evo drivers with the same brush, indeed moreso saying its a shame so many of them bring the others down. Even when I'd said I apologised for a matter of clarity, you still left a sarcastic remark! To say I just disagree with someone who doesn't have the same opinion as me (well in many ways I guess that is a literal statement of fact)....well if you've got the time I can point to 1,000's of posts where you'll see I'll happily have debate for prolonged periods of time without thinking they're presuming too much and say I'm 'generalising again'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjfr Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Posting what you have about TSN Meets though, considering you've been on one with us, well it's about the most disappointing thing I've read on here in a very long time. [/ QUOTE ] On reflection, a 'so ner ' would have been better there... I just find wide condemnation of driving fast on a performance car forum bizarre.. PS. Please can I stay in the gang?? edit: as i said I don't know edinbourgh & it's not really this particular incidence that i'm talking about, it's the attitude to other people's speed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted July 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 [ QUOTE ] . I don't know what the edinburgh high st. looks like, but the fact that everyone here worships ferraris and porches ragging it, but condemns an evo doing the same shrieks double standards to me. [/ QUOTE ] Okay, yet you've not asked me that question. Had it been a Ferrari, a Porsche, a Lamborghini or any other capable of the sort of acceleration an FQ 340 is....would I have reported them. Yes - of course I would. The car mentioned merely cemented the reputation I had in my mind, I didn't at any point infer I wouldn't have done the same for another type of car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_G Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Everyone here has driven dangerously - stop pretending that it's only dodgey pikies in evos that drive dangerously. [/ QUOTE ] You really are a cock, aren't you? I've let someone off the hook for you, so consider yourself honoured, matey. [/ QUOTE ] Why am I to consider myself 'honoured'?? What I am trying to put across is that everyone here is into their cars & have driven dangerously. Look at the M5 thread and tons of other threads on TSN. I don't know what the edinburgh high st. looks like, but the fact that everyone here worships ferraris and porches ragging it, but condemns an evo doing the same shrieks double standards to me. The talk of people doing 190+ on the way to le mans or racing other cars is looked on positivly, but this is apparently 100,000 times worse.. report people for one offence but not another (which is easily as dangerous) is total hypocracy. PS. When TSNers are ragging it and pretending that they're being 'safe', most people think that you're being a dick. I accept that and I'm ok with it, but how can you turn it around and pretend that because you have a porsche/audi/bmw and you drive at massive speeds you're safer than an evo doing the same? Just because you're on an a road doesn't make it safe to rag it - what about a horse, or a car reversing out of a drive or a broken down car on a blind bend?? Speed is dangerous, and to speed (in any circumstance) is properly dangerous, and that's a risk that people take.. [/ QUOTE ] There's a subtle difference in this post and that's the condeming of 'dangerous' speed in built up areas like Holyrood against speed on national speed limit roads. Granted no one should really speed anywhere, but we do to some degree. However I will hold my hand up and say that in built up areas where there is more than just other cars and there are people / pedestrians involved I wouldn't take any risks. And even if a Bugatti Veyron did the same in the same stretch of Holyrood as the Evo I'd report him. Proportionatly more lives are at stake there than just your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjfr Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 I'm not being arsey because it was an evo.. just the attotude of people who didn't see the incident. From the description you gave, it sounded pretty nuts but why is that more dangerous than 190+ on the french m/w or the 14 car overtake in the S3.. Those videos are celebrated by people on TSN, but this incident is instantly condemned.. I don't think I'm getting my point over, but it's much the same as ross G's (just he's more eloquent than I am!! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 [ QUOTE ] And even if a Bugatti Veyron did the same in the same stretch of Holyrood as the Evo I'd report him. [/ QUOTE ] Even if he didnt speed, id report him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_G Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 [ QUOTE ] From the description you gave, it sounded pretty nuts but why is that more dangerous than 190+ on the french m/w or the 14 car overtake in the S3.. [/ QUOTE ] IMO I wouldn't really condone those either, or the M5 vs RS4 infamous video as that is just suicidal. I don't think MrMe would either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_G Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And even if a Bugatti Veyron did the same in the same stretch of Holyrood as the Evo I'd report him. [/ QUOTE ] Even if he didnt speed, id report him! [/ QUOTE ] They only have bad taste police in London Woppum as there's such a high crime rate there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Well ive been down a motorway in Belgium in the R32 where 150-60 was perfectly safe. There were virtually no cars on the road, and roads there are as wide as football pitches are long.. However driving at 80+ through town, where at any moment a kid couldn't jump out in to the road or someone late for work crosses the road without looking hard enough, is just plain crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] From the description you gave, it sounded pretty nuts but why is that more dangerous than 190+ on the french m/w or the 14 car overtake in the S3.. [/ QUOTE ] IMO I wouldn't really condone those either, or the M5 vs RS4 infamous video as that is just suicidal. I don't think MrMe would either? [/ QUOTE ] I couldn't imagine a driving worse than in that video... On second thought, ive seen the super bikes do something very similar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted July 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 [ QUOTE ] From the description you gave, it sounded pretty nuts but why is that more dangerous than 190+ on the french m/w or the 14 car overtake in the S3.. Those videos are celebrated by people on TSN, but this incident is instantly condemned.. I don't think I'm getting my point over, but it's much the same as ross G's (just he's more eloquent than I am!! ) [/ QUOTE ] No, you are with that post. I've never celebrated the above mentioned incidents because I don't know much about them. I can only truly judge those in which I have been directly involved, witnessed or had accurate third party reports on (and even then you never really know the scenario). I don't know what the limit on a French motorway is so I don't know if 190 is common or not (but I guess not and yes it sounds irresponsible to say the least). A 14 car overtaking move may be safe too - and I think I know the one you're referring to (Mollox wasn't it)? I can't remember whether anthing was coming or not so it'd be unfair to say anything more on it I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjfr Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 [ QUOTE ] However driving at 80+ through town, where at any moment a kid couldn't jump out in to the road or someone late for work crosses the road without looking hard enough, is just plain crazy [/ QUOTE ] *sigh* I'm so misunderstood (or just rubbish at writing what I mean ) I don't think it's ok to do 80 through town. I don't do 80 through town.. I only entered the thread because of the fact that people on TSN boast about their xx car overtakes, max speed etc etc. and then condem others speeding. Some of the stuff people have claimed to do on here is total nuts and then they condemn other nuts things & say that any dodgy driving should be reported. I'm not complaining about MrMe's reporting - I didn't see the incident, I'm only complaining about people who didn't see the incident saying that everyone should be reported when they themselves have driven dangerously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjfr Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I can only truly judge those in which I have been directly involved, witnessed or had accurate third party reports on (and even then you never really know the scenario). [/ QUOTE ] !! Exactly! You saw the incident, you reported it. Fine. Everybody else then started saying that we shold report dangerous driving, and yet they've all (or mostly all) claimed on TSN that they have driven dangerously.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_G Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Have they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidicks Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 [ QUOTE ] You saw the incident, you reported it. Fine. Everybody else then started saying that we shold report dangerous driving, and yet they've all (or mostly all) claimed on TSN that they have driven dangerously.. [/ QUOTE ] For someone that frequents a car enthusiasts forum, I find it very hard to understand how you don't understand the difference between 'speeding' (i.e. exceeding the posted speed limit) and driving dangerously' (i.e. in a way that puts you or others at significant risk). I am extremely careful around 20mph, 30mph, 40mph, 50mph limits, even to the extent of using cruise control to avoid accidentally exceeding the limit. Having said that on wide open, empty national speed limit roads (or dual carriageway / motorways) I have no qualms about exceeding 80 / 90mph. In my car, with my experience, in the conditions described, that is NOT dangerous, although clearly it is speeding. It's been mentioned before, but too often I'm travelling on a NSL road and come up behind someone travelling at 40mph. When cars are coming the other way, it is often not possible to overtake, so you are stuck behind. Then when a 30mph limit arrives and I slow down to obey this limit, the car in front continues at their standard 40mph and pulls away.......... Which one of us is most dangerous? On my 911 driving day, we drove at over 150mph, but I don't believe that was dangerous, given the environment it was carried out in. speed kills ? B*ll*cks!! Sidicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chav Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Exactly sidicks. My arse "Speed kills" - the slogan should be "driving like a nob kills", or "driving with poor eyesight or such slow reactions it takes you 20 seconds to notice the car infront is braking kills". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewcam Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Exactly sidicks. My arse "Speed kills" - the slogan should be "driving like a nob kills", or "driving with poor eyesight or such slow reactions it takes you 20 seconds to notice the car infront is braking kills". [/ QUOTE ] My thoughts entirelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_g Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Exactly sidicks. My arse "Speed kills" - the slogan should be "driving like a nob kills", or "driving with poor eyesight or such slow reactions it takes you 20 seconds to notice the car infront is braking kills". [/ QUOTE ] yup, speed does not kill, inappropriate speed kills or as someone said " speed doesn't kill, its the rapid deceleration after impact" that kills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Back to Evos.....isn't Robin getting one for his next car?!! Or am I dreaming? [/ QUOTE ] ....I'm the one who is dreaming! Yes, I am seriously interested in the Evo Concept-X as my next car in a couple of years or so. IF I get one I assure one and all that I will never be driving it over the 20/30/40 limits which I stick to very strictly. Like most TSNers, I use my common sense for 50s and above. Having a fast car doesn't mean you have to drive it flat out all the time. It's very prejudiced in my opinion to tar all Evo drivers with the same brush . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_m Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 I suppose we are seeing the whole "civic Type R" scenario again. I dont think Chris was unfair in his comments, and I certainly think he was right to report it, lets put a different view on it - Matey in his Evo drives in the same manner, and nearly hits a friend of yours or one of your loved ones, you didnt get the registration of the car as you were so horrified, MrMe did see the registration, but he says "Feck that, what will people think of me for reporting it" As for "Everyone on TSN has driven dangerously", WTF is that about, I have never driven to that sort of level of stupidity in my life , there arent many people that can say they never speed, but I really dont think that there are that many that drive like that on a regular basis One other thing, I read a comment saying that if a police officer doesnt have a speed gun, they wont bother with speeding cases, that just isnt the case, Police officers are classed as "Expert Witnesses" on the subject of speed and their opinion is still held in high estemm in court, ok so it will be harder to prove etc, but it wouldnt be dropped instantly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 I think the Police should just arrest all Evo drivers as we know that they are all hooligans who all drive dangerously. You don't need proof. You just have to treat them all the same since they own the same type of car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Blimey, this one went on a bit last night didn't it? To add my two pen'th whilst trying not to repeat/drag up stuff already said... and it's more about the comments on our driving than others. Or at least, why we're different to the guy MrMe reported. As enthusiasts, I'm sure some of us (not all) did things behind the wheel when we were spotty 17/18 year olds that we wouldn't do now. Looking back I'm lucky I survived, and if I drove the same way now I'd be on "Traffic Cops" on telly. As we grow up I'd say we tend to retain our enthusiasm but gain some responsibility. It's something that comes with life changes and experience. What that means is that on days like last Sunday, we still enjoy a bit of a blast, but by and large we do so responsibly. Best example I can think of, and this is a compliment to Drewcam's driving, is the trip across from Carlisle to Berwick. Drewcam led, Damon and I followed. It was largely NSL single carriageway A roads, with a few villages along the route. We certainly "made progess where it was safe to do so", overtaking several cars without scaring them or upsetting anyone coming the other way (well, mostly... ), however we slowed to within the posted limit and cruised calmly and courteously through every village - as the guy at the back of our little convoy, I can confirm that really confused a few people we'd overtaken in the previous NSL stretch... It was refreshing to enjoy a drive with other like minded people - it seems there aren't many drivers out there who like to crack on a bit where we can but are also responsible, courteous and relaxed behind the wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 .... Hear! Hear! Nail on head, garcon I'm always very amused about how those people you overtake in the previous NSL stretch seem confused by you obeying the 'village' limits when they don't want to bother. They are all the same....They are Ford drivers! [joking!] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullett Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Although most of us have made dangerous manouvers I would sugest that in the majority of cases its a bit of poor judgement or a mistake that has lead to that action. The Evo in the OP is described as doing that in a deliberate and calculatedly dangerous way - big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewcam Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Best example I can think of, and this is a compliment to Drewcam's driving, is the trip across from Carlisle to Berwick. Drewcam led, Damon and I followed. It was largely NSL single carriageway A roads, with a few villages along the route. We certainly "made progess where it was safe to do so", overtaking several cars without scaring them or upsetting anyone coming the other way (well, mostly... ), however we slowed to within the posted limit and cruised calmly and courteously through every village - as the guy at the back of our little convoy, I can confirm that really confused a few people we'd overtaken in the previous NSL stretch... [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for the compliment there garc I think it's mostly to do with what has been mentioned on this thread about inappropriate speed. We are all enthusiasts on here and as such have learnt from our youth and experiences of growing up combined with driving experience. Anybody can drive a car fast but not every body concentrates whilst driving. The best example is what Red has mentioned before about the 40mph driver in the NSL that continues at 40 mph in the 30 zone. We did make progress from Carlisle to Berwick but that does not mean we were above 60 all the time in NSL areas (only when it was safe to do so) taking everything into concideration. 30, 40 and 50 should mean just that, they are there for a reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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