Woppum Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Sheppe, I never meant to offend. I had an R32 and anyone on here will tell you I loved it to bits. Some even say I loved it a little too much. However, its one and only drawback was that weight over the front wheels, pushing that nose wide on any swift corner. I just think with the technology from the likes of the new Golf GT VW can make a faster, more fluent and economical golf without having to go big bore. How about a 2.5ltr both supercharged and turbocharged with 320bhp standard? Just seems very old fashioned to put a big lazy engine in this car... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 But I will try to <font color="red"> make senxe on a consistant basis</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheppane7 Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 good sport... point taken... my point was a bigger swept capacity need not be a heavier engine. I agree... wish VW would make their cars a bit lighter.. no need to have a cast iron foundry up front... but perhaps a 3.6.. with more like 300 horses.. and a more rear biased haldex setting would be the way fwd... never know.. they might get round to making alloy blocks one day!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 I can fully understand why you all want a more special, more powerful version of the R32. You really get attached to a car thats so much fun, but so usable. Being quicker, louder, more aggressive looking is a massive attraction... and for me too. Im just concerned that big bore isnt the most efficient way to get oodles of power nowadays... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheppane7 Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 as they say across the pond '' ain't no substitute for cubic inches''..... but then again they have 8 litres with 400 horses... so what do they know... I think VW have it in them to build an M3 type rival engine....(ie powerful, efficient, light) when they do... get em to stick it in a Golf... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Now I may be completely wrong here but did I read somewhere that the R36 had been engineered to be lighter than the R32? Have to say, I agree with Woppum on the big engine thing. My Golf Sport is the new Supercharged / turbocharged 1.4 TSI engined model and I have to say I'm really impressed. Put that technology on a 2.0 or possibly even a 2.2 and you'd have a very quick light weight engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amokwa Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 " I think VW have it in them to build an M3 type rival engine...." VAG already do check out the spec of the RS4 MKII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheppane7 Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Bit big for a Golf..also.. not the most fuel efficient mill on the planet.. my old CSL easily did 35 mpg at an 80 mph cruise... my R32 hard pushed to get close.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwsch1 Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 [ QUOTE ] as they say across the pond '' ain't no substitute for cubic inches''... [/ QUOTE ] "ain't no replacement for displacement" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP27 Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Interesting debate. The 3.6 litre lump is a full FSI engine and an evolution of the existing 3.2 litre engine in the MkIV and MkV R32. You can already get an R42 as it's called the Audi RS4, time will tell what VW plan as the swansong of their MkV Golf. You may all be in for a good surprise. TP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted November 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Just spoke to local dealer. As said in my previous posts he says it is happening. They have phoned Germany and have been told it is go, go, go. However they are not telling dealers when in 2007 it will be launched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP27 Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 [ QUOTE ] However they are not telling dealers when in 2007 it will be launched. [/ QUOTE ] Wee secret, end of November 2007 (but don't tell anyone) !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted November 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 How accurate is that TP? Guess, dealer or VW UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP27 Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Advised by Dealer, via VW UK. When the R36 will physically land here, still to be advised. Oh, you may find that it'll come in DBP only, might explain the DBP "issue". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted November 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 That is a good call regards DBP. Oh crap, what do i do now. If the R36 is only a year away do i cancel the R32. I have £1k deposit down and would have to kiss that good bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP27 Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Nope. I believe the R36 will not be here too quickly in the UK. Numbers will be limited, the spec and development of the car is a way off and the 30th Anniversary GTi is getting the main push just now. Remember, the R36 will be launched in the final months of the MkV Golf run-out (if the development process works well and production costs don't mean they scrap the idea), the MkVI Golf is still in very early development and the "go-ahead" for the R36 has only just been given. I'd carry on regardless if I was you, the R32 is a brilliant car IMHO and even if you do want an R36, there's no guarantee you'll get one or that it'll land here in the UK. I have no information at all on volume numbers, all I have is a predicted launch date at GMbH and the confirmation that the plan to develop the car has been given from on-high. Nothing is certain for us in the UK. Maybe it'll be LHD only ?? Early days, don't panic and look forward to your R32 !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted November 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Good advice TP, my heart rate has slowed down now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedywheels Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Wasn't the rumour that the R36 was going to the US market or did I just make that up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Totally agree with that interpretation TP Sitting around deciding whether to take the plunge or not, based on what "might" be available...is a killer , I am talking as someone who has " suffered" with this syndrome in the past....... Totally cured now.............Just buy the new model as soon as it comes out........ Then all I have to worry about is "mega" depreciation and all the things that always go wrong with any new model...... Or would it be more sensible to buy the model at the end of it's marketing life, just about when they have perfected & ironed out all the probs with the Car? and benefit from possibly a discounted price for a change.......all good but tempered with a total loss of street cred, as one is driving a "past sell by date" model face it peeps.........we are all becoming "fashion victims" to the marketing dept...... And financially it's bloody painful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonl Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Wouldn't panic too much. Can't see an R36 being unbelievably better than a R32 anyway. Just more thirsty. If it were a turbocharged 3.2 or a V8 then maybe you would get very different charactoristics... But it's just a bored out version of the 3.2 that's being used in the US to power the flagship Passat. "The new 3.6-liter VR6 is a narrow angle V6 similar to the older 2.8 and 3.2-liter versions. However, the new 3.6 utilizes a 10.6 degree cylinder offset - as opposed to the previous 15 degree offset - and bore has increased to 89mm and stroke to 96.4mm. The new engine is also 17.5 lbs. lighter than the previous Passat's 2.8-liter 90-degree V6. Power is now up to 280-hp and 265 lb-ft of torque (that’s 90-hp more and 58 lb-ft of additional torque over the old V6!) providing more than adequate power to propel the new Passat down the road with real authority." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonl Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 [ QUOTE ] face it peeps.........we are all becoming "fashion victims" to the marketing dept...... And financially it's bloody painful! [/ QUOTE ] I would always buy the newer model, as more often than not it's going to be far better than the old one (even if you don't think so at the time). Of course, there are a couple of exceptions, like the old S3, the Mk2 GTI golf and maybe the current M3 vs the new V8 one (lets see) Sure there are problems with new cars, but no more than there can be if you buy one half way through it's life cycle. IMO, you either get a bad egg or you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charding370 Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Nope. I believe the R36 will not be here too quickly in the UK. Numbers will be limited, the spec and development of the car is a way off and the 30th Anniversary GTi is getting the main push just now. Remember, the R36 will be launched in the final months of the MkV Golf run-out (if the development process works well and production costs don't mean they scrap the idea), the MkVI Golf is still in very early development and the "go-ahead" for the R36 has only just been given. I'd carry on regardless if I was you, the R32 is a brilliant car IMHO and even if you do want an R36, there's no guarantee you'll get one or that it'll land here in the UK. I have no information at all on volume numbers, all I have is a predicted launch date at GMbH and the confirmation that the plan to develop the car has been given from on-high. Nothing is certain for us in the UK. Maybe it'll be LHD only ?? Early days, don't panic and look forward to your R32 !! [/ QUOTE ] There have been a number of quotes stating early 2007 so whats suddenly changed to make it 6 months late? VW like any other company will always want to sell what is on the market now rather than something that isnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP27 Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 [ QUOTE ] There have been a number of quotes stating early 2007 so whats suddenly changed to make it 6 months late? [/ QUOTE ] Nothing's changed as far as I can see other than VW HQ have only just announced that development of the car has been sanctioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonl Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Nope. I believe the R36 will not be here too quickly in the UK. Numbers will be limited, the spec and development of the car is a way off and the 30th Anniversary GTi is getting the main push just now. Remember, the R36 will be launched in the final months of the MkV Golf run-out (if the development process works well and production costs don't mean they scrap the idea), the MkVI Golf is still in very early development and the "go-ahead" for the R36 has only just been given. I'd carry on regardless if I was you, the R32 is a brilliant car IMHO and even if you do want an R36, there's no guarantee you'll get one or that it'll land here in the UK. I have no information at all on volume numbers, all I have is a predicted launch date at GMbH and the confirmation that the plan to develop the car has been given from on-high. Nothing is certain for us in the UK. Maybe it'll be LHD only ?? Early days, don't panic and look forward to your R32 !! [/ QUOTE ] There have been a number of quotes stating early 2007 so whats suddenly changed to make it 6 months late? VW like any other company will always want to sell what is on the market now rather than something that isnt. [/ QUOTE ] VW will time it so people upgrade right at the end of the products life, thus emptying the parts bin in the process. Just like Audi do with the S3 and Ford do with the RS. Madness IMO, but that's just the way it is. If it was going to be early 07 you would have seen it by now, in the mags (official pictures), testing on the Nurburgring, and order books would most definately be open. Like i said before, i doubt it will be as radical as the R32 was back in the day (compared with the 4mo) more of a MkV R32 with a bigger lump and different shoes. It will probably coinside with the cosmetic tweaks due for 07. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calm Chris Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Let's consider what the, S3 (out in weeks), the S3 engined Cupra (Feb / March 07), the R32 engined Cupra R 4wd (Summer 07), the BMW 135i (March 07), the BMW 135i LSD (Autumn 07 dream on), the RS3 and the TTS RS will do to the VW Market IF VW are slow out the gates. Those gates have started to open, the Leon R32 Engined Cupra R will be 4 wd and that will ruffle VW no end, since the rumour is a tune up on the Mk5 R32 (so cheaper and more powerfull). The same ruffle will happen with the Lean Cupra 240, which gets a detuned S3 motor (with the O4 type turbo- so a simple chip will take that to 270+ bhp). The rumours are ripe across nearly every competitive brand that new gen hatches between 240 and 350 bhp will launch next year. And VW aren't racing to keep up I bet they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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